General Assembly 2/notes
- 1 report
- 1.1 ACK the notes/report of previous meeting
- 1.2 Board members of HSB
- 1.3 Financial status
- 1.4 Every member can haz Keys
- 1.5 Insurance
- 1.6 Varia
- 1.7 closing the meeting
- 2 verbatim notes
report of the General Assembly meeting of Hackerspace VZW (HSB) - 12th of October 2010
- Number of members of HSB vzw: 33
- Number of members present: 16
- Number of members excused: 4
- Number of members needed to have a valid meeting: 11 (1/3 of total)
- present: ptr_, pierre, nicodache, askarel, dragos, tazo,redfern,jurgen, michael, Xflame,hans,wouter,yann,paspas,fs111,jeroen
- excused: chri,teirdes,helixblue,prototypex29a
ACK the notes/report of previous meeting
OK for everyone, no remarks.
Board members of HSB
the current board (april 2009- october 2010) being: Wouter, Hans, Tazo, ptr_
2 board members are willing to step down because they believe it would serve the hackerspace better if locals are more involved instead of remote people. If nobody steps up, nothing changes. We have a group discussion on who's willing to take up the responsability of becoming a new board member.
New board members stepped up:
- Askarel !!!!
- Michael !!!!
all hail to the new brussels boardmembers!! unicorns and rainbows!!
we had our 3 monthly 'books-better-be-balanced' meeting last week, where we kept the bookkeeping up to date. askarel will be the 'financial guy' for the coming 3 months (oct2010-jan2011) (thnx tazo, and wouter for doing this job before)
- rent has been paid till & including october
- 1300+/- in bank
- couple of hundreds cash
the 2010-tax-form (income of the year 2009) has been sent to government administration (ptr_ took care of this and put up his name as a contact there).
- members who don't pay their membership-fee will be contacted by the board. members who don't respond to our call and/or neglect to pay the membership-fee after this warning, will have their membership to HSB vzw effectively terminated immediately (the board keeps a log of communications & motivates these decisions on the first following general assembly).
- pierre calls the meeting to augment membership money to be able to pay the full rent of the space.
- the membership fee got augmented to 10EUR per month. this will be effective from beginning of November 2010.
- the membership is preferably payed by bank transfer in a monthly,automatic payment- members who want an exception to this contact the financial responsible.
the cash-jar needs to be counted & emptied regularly. to make this easy, everybody is asked to take his/her responsability in this.
- whenever there is too much money in the jar (eg. >25 EUR), count it and put it in an envelope. write your name (nick and/or email), money count and DATE on it and put the closed envelope (with content inside) in the cash register (black box), so the financial responible can find it there. empty envelopes are found in the wooden box.
- remark: pref. leave a small selection of coins in the jar for change
- the 'financial guy' will recount the content of these envelopes, logs down amounts & date (not the id) and do the bank transfers.
all members have to be able to get a key to the space. the HSB will do the necessary to install an electronic lock to the front door (so we can easily create/revoke keys). the roller-shutter lock will not be changed (this key is easy to copy).
How many keys in the field? http://hackerspace.be/Category:Keys
we are still investigating options for insuring the HSB. the board is allowed to take steps in this once options are investigated.
there is a short discussion on hazards & security measures
a remark is made that the fire extinguishers should be mounted on the wall to make them easily visible and reachable)
a regular cleanup would be nice: members are invited to organize a regular (monthly?) cleanup meeting through the wiki and mailinglist.
a new mailinglist got created (firstname.lastname@example.org). this is an open mailinglist, specific to hackerspace brussels (unlike code31) - a public announcement/inivitation to join this list will be sent out to all members & interested.
tazo: admins required; conclusion:
we quickly discuss what can be good incentives for ppl(members) to organize workshop and other activities at HSB. everybody is heard, but no actions taken /decided upon.
different options are discussed.
- insulation of the flat glass panes in front window will be done (styrofoam panels - wouter)
- the connection to the heater will be revised: two copper pipes will have to be switched - ptr_ and askarel coordinate this
- an electrical heater is necessary in worst-case scenarios. people are invited to do number-crunching on available machines (use those cycles -- don't just burn them!)
ptr_ and others are owner of several items in the space. these stay their personal property, but it's necessary to clearly mark name of the owner on the device. members are free to use these devices.
closing the meeting
the meeting is closed.
- reports will be sent out by ptr_
- the new board becomes effective immediately
thnx to all for making this happen!
taken during the meeting:
Number of members present: 16 Number of members needed: 11 [http://hackerspace.be/General_Assembly_%28aka._TechTue36%29 Notes of last year] == Overview of last meeting == Still everyone is ok. == Board of directors HSB == For now: Wouter, Hans, Tazo, Ptr Tazo: spending more and more time in ghent, following hans, if there are people wanting to take over, i'm willing to pass the seat. Hans: me too, but know this might cost the space money, so maybe leave me on it, but we do need to think more about meta-organisation, used to do this in the beginning, no longer though, had look at the calendar and seems ok so maybe nothing to worry about. Tazo: also concern for me, think people from antwerp or ghent haven't gotten the time anymore to do this, but would be better to have people from bxl to do this, feeling like the space is getting in troubles on this level Ptr: also sharing concern, not sure if my role is bad, i do like to do it though Hands raising: lots of peoples from bxl present!! Tazo: anyone up for a board place? Hans: beware, a member of the board does nothing more or special, except more pulling Tazo: more responsability though Ptr: with fork of ghent and antwerp, dynamic bit lost in bxl Sandb: concerned about lack of enthousiasm to join the board from other members Michael: wants to do more, but does not know, what it actually means to be on the board Ptr: first board: kickstart, new board: focus on making it work for local people from bxl Xflame: No benefits to change the board, if you continue to stick to the hackerspace concept because it is going to be endless changes Tazo: but the board carries responsibility Ptr: saner to have bxl people to be on the board, local people , we can continue, but would be nicer Wouter: it's the law, no way to avoid changing, it's normal, I admire people that say when they want to give space to others Pascal: actual problem: some board members are also members of other spaces, select board members locally, more stability Ptr: forking spaces is cool, great, i like it sandb: changing [[Statutes|the statutes]] is not very expensive redfern: dont need to change it now on the papers, only needed every few years, if it is in the status notes it is official, costs nothing ptr: lets look it up and find out askarel: is interested to be a board member, but is afraid of the workload various peeps: there is no workload! jurgen: crazy idea, but why not make all members board members? sandb: legally not possible, a vzw needs at least one member (by law) tazo: there is a job opening, think about it! pascal: at least one assembly per year, but we can have more (e.g. next month) ptr: but we need 1/3 member wouter: can a mailing list count as gen assembly various peeps: we don't know ptr: so we come back on it? wouter: lets ask people later during the meeting conclusion: point to be taken up later in the meeting, not concluded yet hans: point: you can get [[Insurance|insured]] againt personal responsibility as a board member. tazo: can have a later chat from boardmember to prospect board members to clarify all questions '''New board''': * Ptr * Askarel !!!! * Michael !!!! all hail to the new brussels boardmembers!! unicorns and rainbows!! == [[Finance|Financial]] status == '''Status currently''': * rent has been paid till october * 1300+/- in bank * couple of hundreds cash ptr: put in a tax form, put in his name pascal: in ghent they have a list in possible investments, do we have this in bxl? ptr: in bxl we have this (there is a [[whishlist]]) pascal: should we use this money to buy? wouter: income is drinks, membership is for rent, and very little, e.g. 155 for this month redfern: don't forget the heating, which is also on the agenda, requires funds? ptr: rent includes all, also heating, but don't expect too much tazo: isolation investments ptr: wants to make big curtain sandb: don't feel good about the rent wouter: think it's valuable to raise rent pascal: think membership might be too high to allow for new members wouter: we have now almost double members against last year sandb: wants to move to a financial situation, where everything is more clear and strict, when it comes to financials (see also hackerspace design patterns) tazo & xflame: if you are a member, you pay, otherwise you are not a member ruttger: suggests one person resp. for financials, not a loose group ptr: tazo did all the work in the first year sandb: financial resp. has to make sure, everybody pays Michael: if you cannot pay 5€, there is smth really wrong, this is not India! tazo: have better technology to make it more transparent: "Excelleken" to be published askarel: go for personal first, then impl. technology solution tazo: says, that ~20 peeps are paying, wants to publish it, anomised ;-) sandb: be careful with privacy concerns! hans: sees no problem [[Membership]] fee: fs111 want 10Eur and ask for a vote because its nothing! _ptr is happy with 5 sandb want more Hans agree membership 10Eur by a vote effective on November What will be done with the money? [[Keys]]? How many keys in the field? http://hackerspace.be/Category:Keys A copy can be done by everybody what happend with keys about members that don't come anymore? People need to sign for keys What happend if you lose keys? == Every member a key == - electronic [[keys]]? hans: talking about security in a hackerspace can take a very long time == Cash [[money]] == procedure: whenever there is enough money, put it in an enveloppe, put your name, count it, put total on it, put DATE on it, put it in the cash register, envelopes are in the wooden box. pascal: worries about making an error ptr: leave like 15 euro in pot so if someone needs change, some change is present ptr: membership only via bank -> yes, unless its absolutely not possible sandb: do not worry about errors, it happens, srsly no problem == Cleanup == tazo: do monthly cleanup like in ghent (cleaning caturday?) wouter: make a monthly move to the container park? ptr: put it on the wiki to organise? decision: either cleanup or container park: put it on the wiki to organise? == [[Mailing list]] == tazo: new mailing list? ptr: tazo already made an open mailing list: email@example.com Mail to be send out: ------------------------ Hello, We will merge the public and the members-only mailinglist into the new public hsbxl mailinglist: firstname.lastname@example.org You can subscribe here http://discuss.hackerspaces.be/listinfo.cgi/hsbxl-hackerspaces.be . As a member you get automatically subscribed ;-) The same patterns apply on the mailing list as in the space: http://hackerspace.be/Patterns Cu you there and thx Code31 for having us! Cheers, Hsbxl general assembly members :-) ------------------------ tazo: admins required; conclusion: * Wouter * Michael * Askarel * tazo == Every member a key? == current list seems up-to-date? ptr: go to electronic [[lock]]? roller we will need a key. pascal: want to do that!! conclusion: towards 1st of jan: having an electronic lock in the space as No 1 project fs111: "It's like a firewall on Windows 98" == [[Workshops]] == askarel: we ask for donation for non members, should also be small compensation for speakers wouter: speakers drink for free pascal: pay your membership for a year if you do workshop various: most people already do give workshop askarel: free food also for speaker? fs111: a day of work preparing = fun and personal growth, don't do this unless you want to do this michael: should not do workshop for money or food or drinks, do it for yourself hans: well, if you can drink 10 duvels and still do a workshop? respect!! == [[Insurance]] == Ptr: did someone look for the possibilities? Various: no Tazo: talked to argenta Hans: someone of Antwerp, Elias, had a look at that?? Michael: Do we want insurance Pascal: what in case of fire of the space? Ptr: I have a fire insurance, but don't know in the renting situation Ptr: if no one looked, lets not discuss this now? Jurgen: note: if there is fire, it's not the person, it's the situation Askarel: insurance: important, definitely need to look into that Pascal: insurance can also help us to set requirements Wouter: we have to look into that Michael: if they ask us for fire extinguishers: there must be a reason for that Jurgen: is security and safety expert, will take a look at insurance papers == [[Heating]] == Pascal: hot members welcome! Askarel: gas heater -> be careful with exaust gasses ptr: likes smell of gas Wouter: small isomo plates to the walls to decrease the cold bridges Ptr: ok with velcro or so, not ok with glueing it (permanent) Ptr: isomo for two window panes? Hans: put plastic curtain on the outside? Ptr: still into building curtains here pascal : let's fix building heating before cold times sandb: does heating work -> no; can we fix it? seems not; will it work when curtain is in front of it? -> most probably not. askarel: pipes are reversed ptr: piping is hard to fix askarel: can borrow equipment to fix this (switch at heater) conclusion: two fronts: * fix heatingdf * do isolation as a last resort: * electric heating xflame: carpet on the ground? askarel : ceiling cat^Wfan ftw? == [[Inventory]] == * How to track ownership? * How to label stuff? *e OPEN POINTS: --------------------- - how to deal with members who don't pay membership money? > kick him (and begin with kicking me out - nicodache) - techtuesday? - board